Can anyone identify these shirts..are they No 2 dress shirts..?. Can't find any in khaki..they are all slate grey...and how can you roll up an entire sleeve into these neat short cuffs..??over to you.
BTW. This picture of para's taken on route home from Falklands.
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That are the woollen KF shirt itchy, as for how to achieve the sleeve practice, practice and the RSM having a word when you get it wrong 
I believe the aim is to have the cuffs 3 fingers wide
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Shaun
I believe the aim is to have the cuffs 3 fingers wide
Cheers
Shaun
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Shaun....might be my dodgy eyesight but the Cpl and the officer on the right of picture, they seem to be wearing a different shirt, scalloped pocket flaps and made of a cotton material? Looks like the shirt worn in the Jungle / Far East or something the Booties might have worn.
If this is 2 Para they were due to go to Belize in April 1982 but were sent South instead...maybe kept the jungle issue shirts?
If this is 2 Para they were due to go to Belize in April 1982 but were sent South instead...maybe kept the jungle issue shirts?
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StevieK
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Modify my last, they are 3 Para, recognise their CO standing next to Gen Bramall. Still reckon the shirts are a different pattern though.
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And they should be rolled above the elbows 
sloppy Ruperts.
sloppy Ruperts.Graham.
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Stevie, your spot on with that remark, while most are in the KF shirt 2 or 3 are in the jungle issue shirts which were oftern used because they were made of cotton and didn't itch. Well spotted I missed that on my first look 
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Ha, my post has just been eaten, so I will start again.
There are three shirts being worn: two types of shirt, GS and the shirt OG. The shirt GS was the cheap and unpleasant replacement for the shirt KF, which, as far as I can see, isn't in the picture (it is identifiable otherwise by pleats in the pockets. The shirt GS was made out of a slightly thicker wool/wool mix than the Shirt Khaki Flannel, but was horrible for several reasons. Firstly, the "stand" in the collar was very short, so it struggled to get above the neck of the woolly pully - the collar ended up looking like a pair of wings if you weren't careful. Secondly, it had no plaquet down the front, with large button holes, so it was "soggy" and very small buttons which would then come undone very easily. And, thirdly, it was poorly made, short in the tail and still itchy.
It was first made in a dark khaki (the chap on the far right almost out of shot is definitely wearing one and so is, I think the guy at front left, but that is less clear. The others are wearing the later, green version of the Shirt GS, (which went rather grey after washing a few times) with the exception of, among others, the two lieutenant colonels.
The one to the right of Gen Bramall, as we look at it, is definitely wearing a Shirt OG. The other one may well be - he is in shadow, or he may be wearing a dark, privately purchased version of the Shirt OG, I can't tell. Shirts OG were very desirable because they were better made and smarter. As Stevie points out they had proper, smart pockets with double scalloped flaps. They often turned up with black buttons because they were standard issue in Hong Kong to, among others, the Gurkhas, who, as rifle regiments wore black buttons(as does Gen B n this photo who is wearing black buttons being late RGJ on his Far East version of Khaki Drill. I can't remember what that uniform was actually called, but it was made up by the tailors rather than being issued, by that time, I believe). Many OG shirts turned up for sale later on in very small sizes - precisely because they were worn at the end mainly by the Gurkhas. A large one was difficult to come by.
But, as for trousers, most are wearing TML, apart from the lieutenant colonel I mentioned, who is wearing denims and the chap just in front of the other lt col on the left who is wearing the desirable baggy OG trousers (Note the lack of belt loops).
I think most in the picture are 2PARA as they are in blue lanyards, but they can't all be as there wouldn't be two lt cols in one battalion.
The way the shirt turn-ups were made to look OK on the shirt GS was to cut the cuffs off. Many soldiers cut the whole forearm off and had the tailor stitch a hem on above the elbow. An interesting photo, with a lot of detail.
But I can't see any "Ruperts" in the photo. A Rupert is a young officer, colonels or generals wouldn't qualify as Ruperts!
Fred
There are three shirts being worn: two types of shirt, GS and the shirt OG. The shirt GS was the cheap and unpleasant replacement for the shirt KF, which, as far as I can see, isn't in the picture (it is identifiable otherwise by pleats in the pockets. The shirt GS was made out of a slightly thicker wool/wool mix than the Shirt Khaki Flannel, but was horrible for several reasons. Firstly, the "stand" in the collar was very short, so it struggled to get above the neck of the woolly pully - the collar ended up looking like a pair of wings if you weren't careful. Secondly, it had no plaquet down the front, with large button holes, so it was "soggy" and very small buttons which would then come undone very easily. And, thirdly, it was poorly made, short in the tail and still itchy.
It was first made in a dark khaki (the chap on the far right almost out of shot is definitely wearing one and so is, I think the guy at front left, but that is less clear. The others are wearing the later, green version of the Shirt GS, (which went rather grey after washing a few times) with the exception of, among others, the two lieutenant colonels.
The one to the right of Gen Bramall, as we look at it, is definitely wearing a Shirt OG. The other one may well be - he is in shadow, or he may be wearing a dark, privately purchased version of the Shirt OG, I can't tell. Shirts OG were very desirable because they were better made and smarter. As Stevie points out they had proper, smart pockets with double scalloped flaps. They often turned up with black buttons because they were standard issue in Hong Kong to, among others, the Gurkhas, who, as rifle regiments wore black buttons(as does Gen B n this photo who is wearing black buttons being late RGJ on his Far East version of Khaki Drill. I can't remember what that uniform was actually called, but it was made up by the tailors rather than being issued, by that time, I believe). Many OG shirts turned up for sale later on in very small sizes - precisely because they were worn at the end mainly by the Gurkhas. A large one was difficult to come by.
But, as for trousers, most are wearing TML, apart from the lieutenant colonel I mentioned, who is wearing denims and the chap just in front of the other lt col on the left who is wearing the desirable baggy OG trousers (Note the lack of belt loops).
I think most in the picture are 2PARA as they are in blue lanyards, but they can't all be as there wouldn't be two lt cols in one battalion.
The way the shirt turn-ups were made to look OK on the shirt GS was to cut the cuffs off. Many soldiers cut the whole forearm off and had the tailor stitch a hem on above the elbow. An interesting photo, with a lot of detail.
But I can't see any "Ruperts" in the photo. A Rupert is a young officer, colonels or generals wouldn't qualify as Ruperts!
Fred
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StevieK
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Hmmm....Hew Pike served in 3 Para as a coy cmdr and CO, as far as I can see he never served with 2 Para, but he is wearing a blue lanyard as well. Hmmm. Ah well.
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Perhaps it is green? It should be if he was CO 3PARA. Looking at the photo more closely on line (it's from the Spectator), it could be that some of the soldiers' lanyards are green and some blue.StevieK wrote:Hmmm....Hew Pike served in 3 Para as a coy cmdr and CO, as far as I can see he never served with 2 Para, but he is wearing a blue lanyard as well. Hmmm. Ah well.
Fred