I have a Series 2a lightweight which has a 200tdi. I have listed in the wanted section of this forum that I am looking for an original petrol engine. My chassis number is prefix 236 and I believe the original 3 bearing 2.25 l petrol engines for this chassis should also carry the 236 prefix. Is this the case?
Second question is that the usual sources for finding the B card for my vehicle do not work. It is a Royal Naval one 26RN89, not civilian registered until 1978, so theres a bit of history to find out. which I have been told can only be found at the Portsmouth naval and submarine museum. However, their archive seems to now be closed. Does anyone have any other suggestions?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Series 2a
Re: Series 2a
Yes - it should be a 236 prefix engine. They do turn up occasionally. Have a look on eBay for 34junkyard34. Drop him a line - he may well be able to help you
Do you have the MOD contract number or an image of the contract plate? I've just had a look in Mark Cook's book "The Half-Ton Military Land Rover" and can't see your MOD reg number in the sequences he has listed. Most of the 1968/1969 vehicles were Army or Royal Marines. Is it an FFR or GS model?
Do you have the MOD contract number or an image of the contract plate? I've just had a look in Mark Cook's book "The Half-Ton Military Land Rover" and can't see your MOD reg number in the sequences he has listed. Most of the 1968/1969 vehicles were Army or Royal Marines. Is it an FFR or GS model?
Re: Series 2a
Thanks for the information. I will get in touch with 34junkyard34. Mine is a GS model.
Here is a rubbish pic of the plate, but if you zoom in you can see the numbers. Interesting that it is not listed. It has the hallmarks of marines/naval because there are two indentations on the front of the bonnet from the chains lifting it onto a ship/vessel. It is a late series 2a as well because there are some early series 3 elements eg steering column. Allegedly this was common on the 2a crossover models.
Here is a rubbish pic of the plate, but if you zoom in you can see the numbers. Interesting that it is not listed. It has the hallmarks of marines/naval because there are two indentations on the front of the bonnet from the chains lifting it onto a ship/vessel. It is a late series 2a as well because there are some early series 3 elements eg steering column. Allegedly this was common on the 2a crossover models.
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This landrover has featured on here before, way back in 2014. There’s another thread on it here - https://forum.militarylightweight.co.uk ... =36&t=5816
Found a sales advert here with some good pictures as well- https://www.defender-landrover.co.uk/20 ... -land.html
Found a sales advert here with some good pictures as well- https://www.defender-landrover.co.uk/20 ... -land.html
1984 RAF 109 GS 63KC41 RAF Catterick
1975 RAF Ltwt 75AM54 RAF Luqa and Wyton
1962 Army 88 GS 09EK34 DERR
1975 RAF Ltwt 75AM54 RAF Luqa and Wyton
1962 Army 88 GS 09EK34 DERR
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Sounds like it's been round the block a few times, bit of a bitsa.
Graham.
Gatwick, west Sussex
Buy British, now it's more important than ever.
1980-83 GS Lightweight 57KB99
Sankey narrow track 08ES81
1942 350cc Ohv Ariel W'ng dispatch bike
Gatwick, west Sussex
Buy British, now it's more important than ever.
1980-83 GS Lightweight 57KB99
Sankey narrow track 08ES81
1942 350cc Ohv Ariel W'ng dispatch bike
Re: Series 2a
Unfortunately I think Mark Cook's comment on page 184 of his book says it all...
"Unfortunately, it has proved impossible to find out any comprehensive information regarding the RN vehicles both Rover 1 and Series 3".
Methinks that if Mark has tried and failed, that this may not be an easy one to sort out.
Has it still got the Boudicca chariot wheels fitted? I bet tyre fitters love working on those! Anybody know what that's all about? I've worked with LR for 30+ years and never seen anything like that before. Looks like an afterthought to me judging by the quality of the welds.
"Unfortunately, it has proved impossible to find out any comprehensive information regarding the RN vehicles both Rover 1 and Series 3".
Methinks that if Mark has tried and failed, that this may not be an easy one to sort out.
Has it still got the Boudicca chariot wheels fitted? I bet tyre fitters love working on those! Anybody know what that's all about? I've worked with LR for 30+ years and never seen anything like that before. Looks like an afterthought to me judging by the quality of the welds.
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I'm intrigued by the plate itself. I'm not a military vehicle ghuru, but I've only ever seen the larger plates which carry the major repair history (never seen one stamped!). Your one appears to be a Rover Co Plate as opposed to an MOD type plate and doesn't show any contract number. Might well be worth persevering and doing some digging at Gaydon in case it was some sort of trial vehicle.
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Of the other three ex RN lightweights, 01RN53 owned by Sean7r and 03RN23 owned by sickpup on this forum had this type of plate. I know there was a third one on this forum, 00RN94 owned by Day VG but I don’t recall a picture of the data plate on that one being shown.
https://forum.militarylightweight.co.uk ... f=6&t=1483
https://forum.militarylightweight.co.uk ... 830#p40830
https://hmvf.co.uk/topic/30411-understa ... ent-361856
The last post in the hmvf topic attached, has some information regarding the data plate, which sickpup got from a friend of his who worked at Land Rover.
I quote from the post - A friend on mine who works in chassis development at Land Rover has managed to get a little bit of information from a chap who works on military coontacts on the odd vin plate. The vin plate is of a type that was always and only supplied with a new replacement chassis in the 1970's. It is different from the type fitted to a new MOD vehicle as at time of production it was unknown who the final user would be. These plates would only have been used if the original was destroyed or so defaced as to have been unusable and a standard type MOD plate was unavailable.The military contracts chap considers it was unlikely that the vehicle was returned to Solihull for the re-chassis and Traceability have no record of it returning, along with the lack of SP badge this suggests it was rebuilt by an MOD workshop.
https://forum.militarylightweight.co.uk ... f=6&t=1483
https://forum.militarylightweight.co.uk ... 830#p40830
https://hmvf.co.uk/topic/30411-understa ... ent-361856
The last post in the hmvf topic attached, has some information regarding the data plate, which sickpup got from a friend of his who worked at Land Rover.
I quote from the post - A friend on mine who works in chassis development at Land Rover has managed to get a little bit of information from a chap who works on military coontacts on the odd vin plate. The vin plate is of a type that was always and only supplied with a new replacement chassis in the 1970's. It is different from the type fitted to a new MOD vehicle as at time of production it was unknown who the final user would be. These plates would only have been used if the original was destroyed or so defaced as to have been unusable and a standard type MOD plate was unavailable.The military contracts chap considers it was unlikely that the vehicle was returned to Solihull for the re-chassis and Traceability have no record of it returning, along with the lack of SP badge this suggests it was rebuilt by an MOD workshop.
1984 RAF 109 GS 63KC41 RAF Catterick
1975 RAF Ltwt 75AM54 RAF Luqa and Wyton
1962 Army 88 GS 09EK34 DERR
1975 RAF Ltwt 75AM54 RAF Luqa and Wyton
1962 Army 88 GS 09EK34 DERR
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All very interesting and thanks for all the replies and links. I was told that these early ones are a bit mythical....I might take a trip to Portsmouth Naval Museum one day and speak to an archivist or research at Gaydon. Further snippets are that it seems as if it might have had a hard top at some point in its history judging by some historic hinge screw holes, and I do know a Mr. Dines owed it for a while, who apparently is a leading Series 1 collector?
It has been very well restored and yes it has a lot of new bits on it (see ad link) to make it more useable, but there is still a goodly amount of originality left. As a classic car nut, I would like to put an original engine back in it, with the added benefit that my wife might start to enjoy a less stinky and marginally quieter ride. With easily removable electric retro fit power steering I might even get her to drive it!
The odd looking hubs are Fairey free wheeling hubs. They are supposed to reduce drag in cold weather start up when diff oil is more viscous..some users claim almost 1 gear difference, though I have yet to corroborate this.. They are also supposed to reduce fuel consumption and reduce noise. They are indeed ugly...However, they can be a swine to remove, so i'm leaving them on for now until they play up!
I use the car for lugging heavy audio gear about, for going down dodgy lanes for fishing and occasionally carting 6 people about; more fun than doing those jobs in this than a transit van
It has been very well restored and yes it has a lot of new bits on it (see ad link) to make it more useable, but there is still a goodly amount of originality left. As a classic car nut, I would like to put an original engine back in it, with the added benefit that my wife might start to enjoy a less stinky and marginally quieter ride. With easily removable electric retro fit power steering I might even get her to drive it!
The odd looking hubs are Fairey free wheeling hubs. They are supposed to reduce drag in cold weather start up when diff oil is more viscous..some users claim almost 1 gear difference, though I have yet to corroborate this.. They are also supposed to reduce fuel consumption and reduce noise. They are indeed ugly...However, they can be a swine to remove, so i'm leaving them on for now until they play up!
I use the car for lugging heavy audio gear about, for going down dodgy lanes for fishing and occasionally carting 6 people about; more fun than doing those jobs in this than a transit van
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@diffwhine "Unfortunately, it has proved impossible to find out any comprehensive information regarding the RN vehicles both Rover 1 and Series 3". I feel there must be something somewhere! The quest goes
@Ltwtbarmy : A friend on mine who works in chassis development at Land Rover has managed to get a little bit of information from a chap who works on military contacts on the odd vin plate. The vin plate is of a type that was always and only supplied with a new replacement chassis in the 1970's. It is different from the type fitted to a new MOD vehicle as at time of production it was unknown who the final user would be. These plates would only have been used if the original was destroyed or so defaced as to have been unusable and a standard type MOD plate was unavailable.The military contracts chap considers it was unlikely that the vehicle was returned to Solihull for the re-chassis and Traceability have no record of it returning, along with the lack of SP badge this suggests it was rebuilt by an MOD workshop.
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this is interesting, although it seems like the original plate, but I guess it still could be an MOD rebuild?
@Ltwtbarmy : A friend on mine who works in chassis development at Land Rover has managed to get a little bit of information from a chap who works on military contacts on the odd vin plate. The vin plate is of a type that was always and only supplied with a new replacement chassis in the 1970's. It is different from the type fitted to a new MOD vehicle as at time of production it was unknown who the final user would be. These plates would only have been used if the original was destroyed or so defaced as to have been unusable and a standard type MOD plate was unavailable.The military contracts chap considers it was unlikely that the vehicle was returned to Solihull for the re-chassis and Traceability have no record of it returning, along with the lack of SP badge this suggests it was rebuilt by an MOD workshop.
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this is interesting, although it seems like the original plate, but I guess it still could be an MOD rebuild?