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No2 dress belt types

Post by Sidders101 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:24 am

Hi all..csn anyone shed light on these 2 types of parade belts..which one is for mid 70's wear..any info gratefully recieved.
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Re: No2 dress belt types

Post by AR4412 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:57 am

Hiya Sidders! :D ,

I'm no expert on Army Dress Regulations or different Corps/Regimental Instructions, but it will all come down to those as to what unit wears what belt, at what rank, at what time.

We used to class the white belt as 'Ceremonial' with a green plastic one, later a cloth one, being worn for normal every day wear. I never once in my career wore the white belt, but that may be something to do with dodging any occasion where one would be needed. However, a quick look in the REME section of Army Dress Regulations revealed that the white belt should be worn at all times by members of my Corps. Ooops.

This is the belt I wore for all of my career, and which is still coiled up inside my No.2 cap in the loft of plenty.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-BRITISH- ... :rk:8:pf:0

A quick read for you here mate. (I doubt that the regulations fro No2 Dress will have changed much in the last forty years, even if the Regiments have.)

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... -03109.pdf

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Re: No2 dress belt types

Post by Sidders101 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:24 pm

blimey Charlie...facinating read...exellent....still not got my answer tho........i "think" the large oblong chrome buckle variety is only worn by the Marines in No2 dress...anyone else shed some light.? I need the correct one for the Paras obviously.
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1976 101 forward control gun tractor 12v RHD- 73-FL-43 ex 1,2 & 3 Para ("Kryten")
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Post by Tinweasel » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:53 pm

I'm not an expert on these things at all, however I would say the top photo is right for other ranks, the large silver/chrome one I'm not sure about but the only buckles I know of used by the RM are like the first photo and a circler one with the lion "passant gardant" over a crown and with the terms Gibraltar and Per Mare Per Terram around the edge. That of course doesn't mean that they don't use others, just that I haven't noticed one.

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Re: No2 dress belt types

Post by Sidders101 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:01 pm

Thanks TW...as you say the top pic is typical all other ranks design....totally stumped on the lower pic . which is the belt i have.
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1976 101 forward control gun tractor 12v RHD- 73-FL-43 ex 1,2 & 3 Para ("Kryten")
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1978 Trophy Frank Spencer impression (1st place)

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Re: No2 dress belt types

Post by Tinweasel » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:02 pm

Sidders101 wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:01 pm
Thanks TW...as you say the top pic is typical all other ranks design....totally stumped on the lower pic . which is the belt i have.
I know some regiments have a buckle which is similar (including the Para's) but they have an emblem on the buckle, for example the Para's have the cap badge on it. I believe the emblem is pressed into the buckle when it's manufacturerd, however I suppose it's possible the buckles are made plain and the emblem is fixed on later.
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Post by andrewjsimpson1977 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:09 pm

This any good Sidders?

https://www.cadetdirect.com/belts-cerem ... late-catch

There's an option to upgrade to the complete belt for an extra 8 quid.

They also have a REME one for Neil, not that he'd bother wearing it by all accounts.

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Re: No2 dress belt types

Post by Fred » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:35 pm

Damn, having spent 10 minutes writing a lengthy response, I find it got eaten. So, I'll offer a shorter reply. First off, thanks to Neil for a fascinating read. I was surprised by how much has changed since it was last revised. I must say, though, it is a classic case of a document which has been added to using cut-and-paste and badly needs editing and proof-reading. There is also a lot of nonsense - "rows of medal ribbons are to be approximately 3.175mm apart" Quite what tolerance is therefore acceptable to account for the approximation, I have no idea, but it is nice to know that precision in the British Army hasn't entirely disappeared. Certainly medals are worn to closer tolerances than Land Rovers were built! I see also that barrack dress is no longer worn by some regiments and corps - quite what they wear in offices, then, I have no idea - combats I suppose! Very warry!

Regarding the belts - neither will do for the Paras. I don't know what the top one is as the buckles are silver rather than brass. Generally, with few exceptions, British regular military corps and regiments use gold/brass for buckles and buttons (exceptions being, eg, SAS and SASC). Silver traditionally is used by the Reserves (formerly the TA), county Lords Lieutenant etc. The second one is correct for some regiments with, as TW above points out, a regimental badge of some kind. It was designed for front-opening stable belts (as opposed to those with two buckles on leather worn over the left hip). And, because these stable belts are adjusted using strips of velcro, the buckles are removable so can be worn with plastic belts of the green or white variety. Hence the style spread and, now, they are used quite often by regimental police, barrack guards and the like with white and green belts. But, it does need a badge. Usually, there are two rectangular holes in the belt plate to take the badge mountings which are then joined with a split pin.

The Parachute Regiment do use a similar belt plate with white belts on parade (for SNCOS and WO2s at least) but it is in brass and has a regimental cap badge style badge on it. I have photos in a book if necessary to expand on this.

OK, having written this, I see Andy's link shows a Para Regt belt buckle in chrome - so my info may be out of date - or that both are worn.
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Re: No2 dress belt types

Post by Sidders101 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:46 pm

Thank you guys..appreciate the input..very useful from all of you..and yes Fred I feel your pain when you write a huge essay only for it to be sent to the moon for a holiday..??? Very frustrating but thanks for the rewrite..!!!
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1974 Series 3 LWT 12v RHD 69-FM-24 , Royal Marines ("Intrepid")
1976 101 forward control gun tractor 12v RHD- 73-FL-43 ex 1,2 & 3 Para ("Kryten")
1979 Sankey NT Trailer 06-HF-86 78 Engr Reg (Herman)
1978 Trophy Frank Spencer impression (1st place)

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